ZH: Are You Officially an Extremist According to the FBI?

07 Feb

Why do we really love zh?

Because how could we not, with comments like these:
Tue, 02/07/2012 – 16:56 | 2135685 AldousHuxley
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If Ron Paul was a president of another country leading the efforts to put the gold standard back and move away from a dollar, yes US would deem him a terrorist and send him troops to kill him off.

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In 1986, 2000, and the months prior to the 2011 Libyan civil war, Gaddafi announced plans for a unified African gold dinar currency, to challenge the dominance of the US dollar and Euro currencies. The African dinar would have been measured directly in terms of gold, which would mean a country’s wealth would depend on how much gold it had rather than how many dollars it traded, allowing a greater sharing of the wealth and self-determination in Africa. This has led some Africans to believe that, because it may have disrupted the dollar-dominated world economy, this may have been a reason for NATO’s 2011 military intervention in Libya against Gaddafi

Saddam tried to move away from dollar to Euro and got killed

Iran trying to move away from dollar and US is trying to kill the country too

It is all about money….more importantly the control over currency of exchange.

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Tue, 02/07/2012 – 17:25 | 2135825 BoNeSxxx
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You don’t have to leave our own shores for examples of this AlHux… (as you well know).

Lincoln, Kennedy,… they both tried it and met with similar ends.

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Tue, 02/07/2012 – 19:27 | 2136275 Pants McPants
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Lincoln?  I’d like to see a reference!

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Tue, 02/07/2012 – 20:22 | 2136417 pods
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“The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. The banking powers are more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. They denounce as public enemies all who question their methods or throw light upon their crimes. I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe.”

Abraham Lincoln

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Tue, 02/07/2012 – 20:47 | 2136478 TruthInSunshine
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Abraham Lincoln and his Treasury Secretary, Salmon P. Chase (Chase Bank later named after him) went to the New York bankers “and applied for loans to the Government to carry on the [Civil] war; the bankers replying, ‘Well, war is a hazardous business, but we can let you have it [the loans] at from 24 percent to 36 percent.’” (Dr. R.E. Search)

Appleton Cyclopedia (1861), page 296, states: “The money kings wanted 24 percent to 36 percent interest for loans to our government to conduct the Civil War.” (qtd. in Search’s book)

President Lincoln and Secretary Chase were outraged at the usurious interest, and refused the offer.

Lincoln wrote to an old friend, Colonel Dick Taylor in Chicago, and asked for advice. His friend told him to “get Congress to pass a bill authorizing the printing of full legal tender treasury notes or greenbacks.” (qtd. in Search’s book)

60 million dollars of full legal tender greenbacks were issued. “All were taken at par and never appreciably fell below par at any time…” (Dr. R.E. Search)

Lincoln referred to these greenbacks as “the greatest blessing the people of this Republic [have] ever had.” (qtd. in Search’s book)

But as soon as Lincoln began issuing the greenbacks, “the bankers and money changers saw that unless they could stop that sort of thing they were ‘sunk’ as far as ever being able to issue money again themselves.” (Dr. R.E. Search)

The banksters “had been able to fool and hoodwink England, and keep her in bondage for 168 years, and they wanted very much to continue, and to add the balance of the world to their conquest; making the people everywhere economic serfs, working for them.” (ibid.)

From the London Times:

If this mischievous financial policy [greenbacks]… should become endurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debts. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the world. The brains and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe. [qtd. in Search's book]

The Bank of England/Rothschilds (do not be deceived by name, “Bank of England”; Bank of England was/is a private bank) issued, and distributed to American banksters, the following document, quoted in part below:

The Hazard Circular

Slavery is likely to be abolished by the war power, and chattel slavery abolished. This, I and my European friends are in favor of, for slavery is but the owning of labor, and carries with it the care of labor, while the European plan, led on by England, is that capital shall control labor by controlling wages.

The great debt that capitalists will see to it is made out of the [Civil] war must be used to control the value of money. To accomplish this, the Government bonds must be used as a banking basis.

We are now waiting for the Secretary of the Treasury of the United States to make this recommendation. It will not do to allow greenbacks, as they are called, to circulate as money any length of time, as we cannot control that, but we can control the bonds and through them the bank issues. [qtd. in Dr. Search's book]



OH but were were going to post the actual story these comments were posted under!?  RIGHT!!!  Here you go…

Believe In A Return To The Gold Standard? You Are Now Officially An Extremist According To The FBI

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Submitted by Tyler Durden on 02/07/2012 16:15 -0500

Just when we thought the US could not sink any further in its usurpation of civil rights, here comes the FBI to advise all those who tend to think that the broken economic model of the past century is the cause for the global insolvency, that wanton fiat diluation and reckless debt issuance does not ‘fix’ the problem of uber-leverage, and that the gold standard is the proper way to return to monetary stability, will henceforth be considered extremists. From Reuters: “Anti-government extremists opposed to taxes and regulations pose a growing threat to local law enforcement officers in the United States, the FBI warned on Monday. These extremists, sometimes known as “sovereign citizens,” believe they can live outside any type of government authority, FBI agents said at a news conference.” And the most epic line ever written: “The extremists may refuse to pay taxes, defy government environmental regulations and believe the United States went bankrupt by going off the gold standard.” So… the US did not go bankrupt by going off the gold standard? But why did the US “go bankrupt” then? We are confused.

Undesirable #1:

The insanity continues:

Routine encounters with police can turn violent “at the drop of a hat,” said Stuart McArthur, deputy assistant director in the FBI’s counterterrorism division.


“We thought it was important to increase the visibility of the threat with state and local law enforcement,” he said.


In May 2010, two West Memphis, Arkansas, police officers were shot and killed in an argument that developed after they pulled over a “sovereign citizen” in traffic.


Last year, an extremist in Texas opened fire on a police officer during a traffic stop. The officer was not hit.


Legal convictions of such extremists, mostly for white-collar crimes such as fraud, have increased from 10 in 2009 to 18 each in 2010 and 2011, FBI agents said.


“We are being inundated right now with requests for training from state and local law enforcement on sovereign-related matters,” said Casey Carty, an FBI supervisory special agent.


FBI agents said they do not have a tally of people who consider themselves “sovereign citizens.”

Sovereign members often express particular outrage at tax collection, putting Internal Revenue Service employees at risk.

Maybe it is not too late to be a beggar in Greece. At least there one is allowed to think anything as to why the country is completely broke and the population is living under “absolute poverty” without fear of being deemed a “sovereign citizen” and getting arrested at the drop of a hat.

And for those who still care about facts, below is a chart of global debt since the world formally and terminally went off the gold standard back on August 15, 1971:


And just for kicks and giggles, one last comment:’s picture

No one is a sovereign citizens as citizenship is defined by the state and the state reserves sovereignty for itself. Each of us is rather a sovereign individual.

We labor under the tender mercies of the state. Some believe that state sovereignty (which supposedly derives its power from the consent of self owned individuals and exists to protect the sovereignty of those individuals) is superior to individual sovereignty. Such a belief can not be sustained logically.

Others obey the state simply out of fear. One need not believe in the just nature of the state in order to feel compelled to pay taxes and submit to regulation.

But one remains a sovereign individual in any case. Each person has a right to control one’s own body and property. Criminals both in and out of government work ceaselessly to deny us these rights. But the rights remain as just and valid expressions of natural law no matter who attacks them.





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